| A rose by any other name |
Faux Gras or Foie Gras. It is still cruelty. An animal has to suffer for our pleasure. - Nikki Botha
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| How is it cruelty-free?? |
Wait, wait... how can this article repeatedly state that this product is ''cruelty free''? I doubt the ducks willingly donated the livers they happened not to be using.
I do agree it is not as horrific as the traditional product and thus indeed better.
I appreciate the effort, but I think calling it ethical is going too far. Less cruel would be more accurate
If consumers really want to eat something ''without any feelings of guilt'' - try something vegetable based - Anastasya Eliseeva
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| foie gras |
I agree totally with Anastasya. Humans are sure a bunch of savages - Virginia Greenwood-Warner
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| what tosh! |
Is it cruel for a lion to eat an Impala ? We too are "lions". We eat animals. As for it being for our pleasure - that is only a matter of presentation. - Greg
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| NO FOIE GRAS |
While we still have 'Faux Gras' we will still have deli's and restaurants insisting that their geese eat as much as they want and they die happy - an animal (bird) has still undergone the stress and trauma of slaughter. And if you are getting from a restaurant there is no way of knowing exactly what you are eating. China has just set up a huge Foie Gras industry - with their record of human and animal rights and the cheap prices they put out can you be sure you are eating so-called "cruelty free?" There is no such thing as cruelty free flesh food, just some that is more cruel and stressful than others. If an animal dies for our plate, it did not do so by choice! We do not NEED to eat dead things, it is a rather nasty habit we are used to. - toni brockhoven
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| RE: Oh Please |
Oh please Greg, the lion hasn't a choice, we do. Most of us survive quite well (in my case a little too well) on a veggie diet. I am very proud to know that my diet does not harm any animal.
I'll eat Faux Gras when it doesn't use any animal prodcuts ! Anyway, I prefer a good aubergine pate any day ! - Lejane
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| Think before you speak |
Oh Greg - lions eat impalas as a matter of survival. We don't have to eat meat to survive darling. Wake up and smell the coffee! - Nikki Botha
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| Animal cruelty |
I need meat to survive. Red meat. Rare. Straight from the fire or the pan. I will eat dead animals while it is available. Not just for nourishment but also for pleasure. Don't let your emotions interfere with common sense. Life is for the living. We should not live to eat but definitely eat to live.
- Dalien Pedro
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| Another Forum |
I suggest that tree hugging vegans and veggies post comments on a different site. I hope you don't have leather shoes, belts, jackets or upholstery.
Animal welfare is very important and I don't advocate cruelty, but lets face it most of the food we put on our plate like foie gras has been bred for that very purpose.
Would the mung bean and tofu addicts step aside! - Another Greg
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| Veggie danger |
I do respect you leaf eating humans. You must just be as respectful to us meat munchers. If we all had to go the veggie route there would not be much uncultivated land left on this planet as it would all be under veggies. You can feed a lot more people on a 10mx10m piece of land on intensive chicken farming than planting veggies on that area !! - Harry
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| Ag no man! |
Please stop yakking about animal cruelty. Look at how we as South Africans treat each other, before we can start debating on how we have to treat animals... Look at crime, violence against babies and the elderly, how we stop poverty from entering our minds..please people - get real! - Human cruelty vs animal cruelty
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| Re: Think before you speak |
Dear Nikki. Do you drink milk? Eat eggs? Cheese? Butter? Wear clothes made from wool? Leather shoes? Handbag?
What's the diffs?
Humans are mamals. Our bodies are designed for both flesh and veggies.
- Philip
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| No Philip - What do you think?! |
Philip
NO. The answer to all your questions is NO.
If your reason for eating meat is we are mammals, then you better start running because who knows with the way things are going - you might just be next for lunch.
As for the respect thing - hey, I don't mind you eating your meat if you don't mind me eating my veggies, but don't come and spout utter nonsense that the death of a living being for exploitation is "cruelty free". - Nikki Botha
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| Ag no man ! and Think before you speak |
I agreed with both of you ! Well said
- vienna
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| Faux Gras |
There can be no substitute for the real thing. These cardboard tasting imitations is just reward for the bunny huggers.
- vusi
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| Human Cruelty vs Animal Cruelty |
You bring up a very interesting point. There is a direct connection between animal cruelty and human cruelty.
As for you Vusi - if you are up to it, why don't I organise for you to have a lovely vegetarian/vegan meal and then you can tell me whether it tastes like cardboard? Would you be willing and open to that?
Besides, I would much rather eat that cardboard tasting imitation than know I am putting the corpse of a once living being in to my body. - Nikki Botha
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| RE: I love being a bunnyhugger ! |
I love being a bunnyhugger who eats fabulous food that is not cruel to any living being. Oh and yes, I don't drink milk, don't wear leather. I party hard and live a fantastic life so certainly don't feel like I am missing out on anything. Vusi, love, have a feeling you have never tasted a decent veg meal, so until you have, I would beware of making assumptions. And as for speaking out against meat eaters, you are part and parcel of a very cruel system in which animals are treated exceptionally badly, so how can I not speak out? - Lejane
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| happy healthy tree-huggin', bunny huggin' vegan |
in response to 'Human cruelty vs animal cruelty' - to quote an amazing human being: "the greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." GANDHI - anne campbell
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| Ignorance |
I love the fact that whenever a meat eater feels the need to justify their actions they resort to insulting us veggies and vegans and attempt to preach to us about wool, leather, dairy etc. Please do not extend your level of ignorance to us. The majority of us 'bunnyhuggers' live our lives completely cruelty free. Which means no product that enters our body, adorns our body, cleans our body or house is derived from the pain of animals. I also love being hypocrisy-free, meaning that I don't claim to love animals whilst gnawing on the corpse of one. - Nikola Cotter
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| logic 101 |
1: We are not 'lions' - as humans we uniquely have both theory of mind and empathy which means we have the capacity to choose.
2: Compassion is seldom focused in only one direction: just because someone talks about cruelty to animals in one place doesn't mean they don't talk about cruelty to humans in another.
3: Respect is not moral equivalence; should I respect a company that KNOWINGLY spews global warming gases into the atmosphere as
much as one that has made a superior ethical choice NOT to do so? In other words, if we have any regard for issues of universal
rights and shared resources, respect should be based on degrees of culpability in ethical matters affecting these issues.
....any other takers?
- SA Vegan Society
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| Another Vegan |
Shame menus do not give a correct description of foie gras as "the diseased tissue of a tortured, sick animal"... might make them think twice about eating it!
Faux Gras is not a new idea, many Vegans make a Mushroom, Walnut, and Rosemary. Far tastier and cruelty free. You meat eaters don't know what you are missing.
- Jackie
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| logic 101 pt 2 |
1: Our biological omnivorism means we're able to CHOOSE whether to eat animals, plants or both, not that we're impelled to eat both.
2: Statistically you can feed many more people on a non-animal product diet using the same area of land.
3: Many of the respondents here probably don't possess leather shoes, belts, jackets or upholstery, so cries of hypocrisy are largely unfounded.
- SA Vegan Society
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| Tolerance for difference! |
What I find truly puzzling is the intolerance between vegan/vegetarians and all the meat eaters. You know what if you want to change your way of eating for or against the 'meat' or 'non-meat' debate. It is your own choice. We live in a free society and maybe we should just be a tiny bit less aggressive about our viewpoints and then find a collective answer and points of agreements so much easier! - Peter du Plesssis
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| Tolerance |
I am sorry Peter, but cannot show as much tolerance as I would like any more towards cruelty. I cannot allow the world to stay blind to the appalling cruelty in the "production" of meat, so until people admit freely that when they stick a knife and a fork into their steak that they are supporting cruelty, we will continue to speak out as much as possible. I'm speaking from the veggie side of course. If meat-eaters are aggressive towards veggie people and uncomfortable with what we have to say, it is sad and unfortunate. - Lejane
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| virginal veggies |
Vegetarians have the most annoying holier-than-thou attitude. It's so fake. Get off your high-horse before you hurt it. I don't support the cruelty, but I do like a good steak. - pro-meat
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| Whatever! |
Look the point is some people eat meat some don't. None are more virtuous than the other. Fine protest whatever there will never be a day in this life where everyone is vegetarian vegan or carnivorous for that matter. So meat eaters..enjoy ur steak and shut up about it and v's enjoy whatever it is that u enjoy and also shut up about it. - Love
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| open your minds... |
I am pleased that Waitrose uses free-range livers for their faux gras, but it is hypocritical that they still sell standard chicken and pork products, which I know for certain are far more cruel than most foie gras. My book about the production and ethics of foie gras will be out shortly. Hopefully, both right-on veggies and blood-hungry carnivores (and everyone in between) will find it enlightening; All of us have relied on animal rights propoganda to tell us how foie gras is produced, which is often misguided and biased to say the least. - Gemma Driver
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| Pro Meat Morons |
Virginal Veggies ... are you feeling guilty Pro Meat? And do you have a brain? 'I don't support the cruelty but I do like a good steak' is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Think a little, watch Earthlings, go to a slaughterhouse ... the next time you open your bloodthirsty little mouth maybe you'll think twice. I am holier than thou by the way - I want to live in a better world and you are indifferent to suffering. And your joke was baaad. - jackyl
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